tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7905416493038831261.post4492113201505444232..comments2023-07-02T08:51:39.389-05:00Comments on Fiction and Fantasy: Why People Hate Mary SuesJeannette Jonichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16223040243180418535noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7905416493038831261.post-23221609647491511762018-08-28T09:07:31.297-05:002018-08-28T09:07:31.297-05:00I guess so. Hahaha! :PI guess so. Hahaha! :PCurtis M.http://cmbbwrites.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7905416493038831261.post-60300163409716409062018-08-27T13:43:55.571-05:002018-08-27T13:43:55.571-05:00I think it would definitely have enough of your op...I think it would definitely have enough of your opinions on it to qualify, if that's the case. :)Jeannette Jonichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16223040243180418535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7905416493038831261.post-70948423968367313172018-08-26T16:52:40.450-05:002018-08-26T16:52:40.450-05:00Maybe, but my emphasis is on my own original works...Maybe, but my emphasis is on my own original works. Maybe the Ospreyshire page since I've been doing posts not about my music like some news or personal opinion pieces.Curtis M.http://cmbbwrites.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7905416493038831261.post-9438815464658556002018-08-26T15:13:40.719-05:002018-08-26T15:13:40.719-05:00Hm... Would it fit on your fiction blog perhaps? I...Hm... Would it fit on your fiction blog perhaps? I guess you prefer to keep your own original content on that one though...Jeannette Jonichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16223040243180418535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7905416493038831261.post-24956055679195140422018-08-25T09:26:02.571-05:002018-08-25T09:26:02.571-05:00Gotcha. If I do watch it, I don't think I'...Gotcha. If I do watch it, I don't think I'll review it on Iridium Eye though given the concept of the blog. I wonder how I could best describe thy thoughts without resorting to that blog.Curtis M.http://cmbbwrites.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7905416493038831261.post-13724644649675178702018-08-24T15:05:55.751-05:002018-08-24T15:05:55.751-05:00I'd love to hear your response to a show like ...I'd love to hear your response to a show like One-Punch Man! If you ever check it out, let me know how you felt the writer handled his overpowered abilities!Jeannette Jonichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16223040243180418535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7905416493038831261.post-24109315030641951962018-08-22T14:01:55.927-05:002018-08-22T14:01:55.927-05:00Definitely. I can see people just trolling, not kn...Definitely. I can see people just trolling, not knowing what they're talking about and/or finding a character who's their personal Ron the Death Eater (heroic contrast to Draco in Leather Pants). <br /><br />I agree with Parody Sues. They can be funny when used well.<br /><br />Of course. It's so boring when the heroes win all the time. There are some villains that I don't find to be threatening to the heroes at all. Some villains can be unintentional sympathetic to me if they always lose and aren't that evil or have legit reasons to go after the hero, and I shouldn't be feeling this way.<br /><br />It's really tough for me to appreciate the exceptions. Sure, I get that heroes typically in in the end, but I have a hard time if I know they're going to doing everything effortlessly.<br /><br />To be fair, Mary Sue writers don't have that kind of nuance. Maybe it's because I maybe stricter on invincible characters, but I'm not sure.Curtis M.http://cmbbwrites.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7905416493038831261.post-59716325999551972412018-08-22T13:37:49.055-05:002018-08-22T13:37:49.055-05:00It is frustrating when someone calls a character y...It is frustrating when someone calls a character you like a "Mary Sue" without actually having proof to back it up (usually I think this happens because they either want to troll or they don't really put thought into what the term means). Fortunately, I think a growing group of people are becoming about what makes a Mary Sue (or, perhaps more accurately, we're starting to form a more cohesive definition of what defines a Mary Sue as a whole).<br /><br />Parody Sues are definitely an exception to the rule, as they're great for laughs. They definitely highlight what makes Mary Sues so unlikable!<br /><br />I just find Mary Sues to be so uninteresting because they overcome any would-be obstacles! As you said, villains should be legitimate problems for the hero. There's no tension if you know your hero is just going to solve the problem easily.<br /><br />Of course, there are exceptions to this--we all know Saitama from One-Punch Man is going to defeat the villains in one punch, but what will happen to the rest of the cast before he gets there?<br /><br />Sure, we know Danny Ocean is going to successfully pull off the casino heist, but HOW is he going to do it?<br /><br />In both these cases, these stories KNOW they have an "overpowered" protagonist and find other ways to make the story interesting. Mary Sue writers do not implement these kinds of clever writing strategies, leading to boring encounters. It's a tragedy, because I always WANT to care about a hero, but if there's no tension ("What's going to happen next?") in the story, I just won't be invested. :(Jeannette Jonichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16223040243180418535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7905416493038831261.post-89687704057225869212018-08-17T14:27:28.207-05:002018-08-17T14:27:28.207-05:00Thanks! That's true that people need to learn ...Thanks! That's true that people need to learn why a character is a Sue. While Sues do annoy me, I'm also annoyed by when people throw that term around for no reason. There have been times where people have Parody Sues like one episode of Recess with that transfer student who outshines the main cast. Sure, he was too perfect to be likable, but that was part of the joke.<br /><br />I'm glad I was able to use those examples. I'm a believer that a villain should be a legit obstacle to the hero. When a hero is winning all the time, he/she doesn't just conquer the obstacle, they BECOME the obstacle. Yeah, PCM can really hurt a character, too.Curtis M.http://cmbbwrites.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7905416493038831261.post-6631397559861485982018-08-17T13:48:24.545-05:002018-08-17T13:48:24.545-05:00That's awesome, Curtis! I think learning from ...That's awesome, Curtis! I think learning from Sues is the best thing we can do with them. I guess that's the line between constructive criticism/discussion and arguing for argument's sake: what's your goal in saying this character is a Mary Sue? Is it to prove your own point, or is it to become a better writer?<br /><br />Those are some great examples, both good and bad. It's not as interesting to watch a character who wins all the time, and that's not even getting into the complications of protagonist-centered morality!Jeannette Jonichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16223040243180418535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7905416493038831261.post-60450393905567240332018-08-17T09:51:46.837-05:002018-08-17T09:51:46.837-05:00There's a part of me expecting an article like...There's a part of me expecting an article like this at some point in this blog! Hahaha!<br /><br />I'm glad you brought up the point that Mary Sues can have insignificant "flaws" like clumsiness. They never hamper the character and they are just features disguised as flaws.<br /><br />Even though I'm not a Captain America fan, I never really thought of him as a Marty Stu. He's certainly out-of-time and old-fashioned and at least he did work to be a soldier regardless of the serum or not. <br /><br />Some characters bug the crap out of me as invincible characters really turn me off. One such example is Ryoma from The Prince of Tennis. He always wins his matches and is a total jerk about it to the point where I wanted his opponents to beat him. Yugi from Yu-Gi-Oh gets called a Marty Stu and even the Abridged series mentions it. Sure, he got bullied, but he always wins his matches, has Yami (the taller version) do all the dueling (isn't that cheating?), and he never loses unless someone cheats or loses "on purpose" to prove a point about something. Say what you will about Hikaru no Go, but at least no one is invincible in that anime/manga series.<br /><br />I could also name several Disney characters that could count as Mary Sues, but I'm sure you can guess which ones they are. Hahaha! Another thing that bothers me is that Mary Sues are also tantamount to do protagonist centered morality, but because the rest of the cast is so gaga about them, they get a free pass. <br /><br />I make sure all my heroes have at least one flaw in them and have it affect their character.Curtis M.http://cmbbwrites.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.com